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MSNBC
Jul 18, 2011 6:00am EDT
to beat president obama. a look at the war in afghanistan. now the longest war. how do we get out? does obama's policy differ from president bush's and what is the effect for generations to come? joe and mika and willie join in the conversation later this hour. we begin with the debt crisis. they are trying to make a deal on the deficit. houses of congress are rolling out separate compromises to safe off a default. harry reid is meeting with mitch mcconnell to craft a solution to appeal to both parties. according to reports, this would do the following. it would allow the debt ceiling to be raised three times for a total of $2.5 trillion. in exchange, some $1.5 trillion in spending cuts would be enacted. the plan would be established to identify new deficit cuts. proposal, already, getting a lukewarm response from the fellow republicans. among them, the freshman snar mark arubio and tom coburn. take a listen. >> it gives the president the ability to raise the debt limit. the debt limit isn't the problem. the problem is the debt. the plan, as outlined to me isn't a credible solution. >>
FOX News
Jul 10, 2011 12:00pm EDT
pakistan is critical to the success in afghanistan, as a supply route. things have been tense for a while. highlighted by the apparent lack of communication surrounding our raid that took out bin laden on their soil. today, white house chief of staff bill daley made clear that until we patch it up with pakistan, their wallets will be lighter. >> obviously, they have been an important ally in the fight on terrorism. they've been victim of enormous amount of terrorism. but right now, they have taken some steps that have given us reason to pause on some of the aid which we were giving to their military. >> reporter: using broader strokes, president obama said this week that we need to keep giving foreign countries aid so they don't become terrorist breeding grounds. he thinks it's worth it though we don't have dough to spare at home. >> it's smart for us to make a very modest invest in the foreign aid. it's a force multiplier and something that even in tough fiscal times, america needs to continue to do as part of our role as global leader. >> reporter: the money we withhold won't affect non
MSNBC
Jul 6, 2011 6:00am EDT
revenue in terms of what we are spending. $120 billion alone in afghanistan. alone. that doesn't include aid. 47, 000 troops still in iraq and we have tax cuts in place. >> the united states is strategically overextended worldwide. what are we doing borrowing money from japan and europe and persian gulf. we are overextended. >> exactly, pat. >> the country is overextended. you can't start fighting wars and not raise the revenue. >> maybe you ought to end the war. >> here we go. we have to do a little bit of everything. >> let's do one plan. we talk about both sides in broad strokes. walk us through what is actually inside the deficit reduction plan on each side. >> fair enough. >> simpson sets the standard. they came out with $4 trillion in deficit reduction. the paul ryan plan got about the same amount of deficit reduction, $4 trillion. the obama plan is $2.5 trillion of deficit reduction. the biden talks that have been going on are at zero, really, but they are talking $1 trillion spending cuts, maybe. by the way, even if the plan were adopted, we have $6 trillion more debt ten years f
MSNBC
Jul 31, 2011 9:00am EDT
as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff discovered for himself this weekend. >>> here in southern afghanistan, soldiers and marines are dodging bullets. when they had a chance to throw questions at the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, their number one concern was the ongoing debate back home over the debt ceiling. >> the checkbook is not unlimited. >> they told soldiers if the talks fail they have to fight, but they may not get paid. >> there plenty of you living paycheck to paycheck. if paychecks were to stop it can have a devastating impact and a devastating impact pretty quickly. >> mullen told marines given the state of the u.s. economy, all the services they said cut back in the size of the force and maybe even military benefits. >> we will have to tighten our belt and prioritize and make hard decisions. >> in the middle of a war zone like many americans, these service members are worried about their jobs and asking what the heck is going on back in washington? >> here's a look at today's schedule. the senate will be in at sdmoon the vote will be set for 1:00 p.m. we will bring you
CNN
Jul 18, 2011 3:00am PDT
last act as commander of nato forces in afghanistan. he handed off authority to the new komd ander john allen. petraeus is retiring from the army at the end of the month. he will be taking over as director of the cia in september. >> that's right. the government not able to pay its bills is looming large they are morning. the clock ticks towards the deadline. 16 days now and counting. the president and congressional lead remember pecked to meet again this week. last week wasn't all that successful. at the same time, the senate will begin debating a scaled-back fallback plan. both sides say they are optimistic they will strike a deal. >> i'm confident cooler heads will prevail. at tend we will not allow the united states to default on its debt despite the fact some people think that would be okay. >> if the president keeps insisting on raising taxes on american workers, there's not going to be a deal. i do think, however, that republican leaders will not allow the country to go into default. >> president obama insists both parties must agree on a deal by friday in order for it to get pas
MSNBC
Jul 27, 2011 6:00am EDT
on the heels of the most absurd unfunded wars in iraq and afghanistan and unfunded trillion dollar medicare and bills and tax cuts for the wealt wealthy. i, myself, voted for all of this. back to my original point. >> welcome back to "morning joe". the medicare plan was a $7 trillion plan. most republicans have been watching. let's take a look now at the morning papers. the san francisco chronicle and a virtual fallout if congress fails to raise the contract. they took out $5.4 billion in loans, covering the bills in case money stops flowing in from washington. new york times under pressure from democratic colleagues, seven term representative, david wu said he would resign from congress following accusations of inappropriate sexual encounters last year. she was much, much younger. before the allegations, he was politically vulnerable. two others were going to challenge him. they have been talking about this going back to college, possible rape charges from his time in stanford. drivers in l.a. may regret paying ticket violations from traffic cameras. they admitted paying the fines is volun
FOX News
Jul 15, 2011 6:00am EDT
50 national guard troops returned to cedar rapids, iowa, after spending a year in afghanistan. about 2800 men and women will return home to the area in the next few days. this is the largest deployment that the state has seen since world war ii. and those are your headlines. >> let's talk about what's going on. couple of days ago, we heard the president of the united states say don't call my bluff, eric cantor and i'll take my case directly to the american people. today, the president is going to take his case to the american people. he has a press conference this morning at 11:00 a.m. >> we'll see what he says again. there's no talks today, folks. they've been doing them every day this week. there was a rumor maybe they'd go to camp david this weekend but not sure if that's going to happen. no talks today. >> fascinating to see after an hour and 19 minutes yesterday that eric cantor did not say a word today, yesterday, and on thursday. now the president for the second time this week will have his press conference at which time he's going to do something. i think it's his third one
CNN
Jul 12, 2011 8:00am PDT
recipient to make it out of afghanistan alive. the army ranger took a bullet through both legs during a firefight. he still managed to fling an enemy grenade away from two other rangers -- from the other rangers. the grenade exploded taking off petri's right hand. >>> well, it is the scandal rocking one of the most powerful media empires in the world and it is getting bigger and even uglier today. two more of rupert murdoch's newspapers in great britain are being called out for allegedly breemping the privacy of everyone, from the former prime minister to the queen of england. murdoch himself along with his son and one of his top editors are being called by the british government to explain themselves. dan rivers, she in london. and, dan, tell us about this. it seems to go all the way at the top of newscorp. i understand we just lost dan. we're going it try to get back to dan as quickly as we can to bring you the very latest. i understand now we have dan. dan, can you hear me? dan? can you hear me? >> reporter: yes, i can hear you fine. >> dan, tell us about how high up this goes? we
FOX News
Jul 19, 2011 3:00am PDT
it into perspective, let's take a look at how hot it's going to be in afghanistan. it's going to be 106 in cann kandahar. take a look at this. these are the highs for iraq for today. it's going to be 108 in mosul and 110 in baghdad and 112 in basrah. remember when you're out there wearing a t-shirt, the men and women over there are in full gear. with camouflage, hard to see them. the nfl lockout appears close to an end. they will meet to discuss approving a deal that could probably bring the lockout to a close. players from 32 teams voting, same thing perhaps on thursday and then quickly start sweating in pads. the one issue that appeared to be resolved, a billion dollars put aside to the guys who made very little money and really pioneered the game. the retired players. and tiger woods is finally collecting money but not from the golf course. a former mistress is having to return most of the $10 million in hush money she gave the pro because she reportedly spoke out to tmz and she also -- she also had spoke to "celebrity rehab" where she was trying to get cured of her addiction to love. so i'm
FOX News
Jul 31, 2011 3:00am PDT
, that's clear, isn't it? so there he was, he was making his 15th trip to afghanistan and it was while he was over at camp leatherneck that the marines asked him, okay, if there are a bunch of pentagon cuts, how is that going to affect our equipment and stuff like that. and wherever he has gone so far during this particular swing through the country of afghanistan, the troops are saying are we going to get paid? and he's saying, i don't know. just know this whatever you are owed you'll get paid eventually. you know, and this is how this works down. if we do, talking about if we go into a debt ceiling where we can't pay our bills technically which i don't agree with anyway, let's say, the president has the tablt to decide who gets paid when. clearly the debt is going to get paid first. china and saudi arabia are paid before our military, as bad as that sounds, that has to happen, so our borrowing costs don't go through the roof and then pay the military and social security, and if you dodonn tt order, give the department of education money first, it's the president's fault. it's not congre
CNN
Jul 15, 2011 3:00am PDT
. the first u.s. troops have left afghanistan. the draw down is under way. barbara starr is live for us at the pentagon. hey, barbara. >> good morning, soledad. the first of the 33,000 surge forces, in fact, yes, on their way home out of afghanistan now. u.s. officials are confirming about 650 troops mainly from the iowa national guard, left afghanistan on wednesday. they will not be replaced and that's how they're going to begin to achieve this draw down that president obama ordered. bring troops home as scheduled, don't send in new troops. soledad. >> the administration is jumping back into the don't ask, don't tell debate. what's happening now? >> well, this is really very interesting, but legally, a bit murky. the obama administration has asked a federal appeals court to suspend its ruling that would end enforcement of don't ask, don't tell in the u.s. military. what the obama administration says, it wants, is to keep to the new status quo, if you will, to follow that congressional law where the military will lift the ban on don't ask, don't tell. they're already working on it. they
CNN
Jul 30, 2011 7:00am PDT
now. a soldier's death in afghanistan is shrouded in mystery. few details are known, except he was part of the army's secret force. cnn's pentagon correspondent, barbara starr, though with the details. >> reporter: it was here in the mountains of eastern afghanistan that army master sergeant benjamin stevenson was killed on his tenth combat tour of duty. this is the only photo the army will release of the soldier from ft. bragg's army special operations command. the military will say little about his extraordinary record. but cnn has been told by military sources stevenson was a veteran of the army's deeply classified world of special operations forces, highly trained in counterterrorist assault missions, the army equivalent of the navy s.e.a.l.s who killed osama bin laden. on july 21st, stevenson and others helicoptered at night into the mountains. the target, a camp of foreign fighters. the americans quickly came under fire and returned fire, killing nearly 50 insurgents. but at dawn, two more waves of insurgent s attacked. the u.s. repeatedly brought in reinforcements. preci
FOX News
Jul 30, 2011 1:00pm PDT
al-qaeda move money and fighters in to pakistan and afghanistan. here now, a spokesman for four u.s. ambassadors. thanks for being with us. we known about their support of terror groups throughout the years, hezbollah and others but what about al-qaeda is this is the first time we've had solid evidence? >> it's actually not the first time. the four individuals that were designated in 2009. don't forget that the 9/11 commission report called out this phenomenon, said that al-qaeda and iran are working together. i think thursday's announcement is good news. we should congratulate david cohenfor making this announcement and pushing through this decision. i'm sure it was very difficult. the state department under secretary clinton has not been so forth right. hopefully by designating the six individuals that we can move the diplomacy and force a lost these countries that are protecting terrorists by not enforcing banking laws. certainly the u.n. has asked them to enforce banking laws. >> gregg: i'm glad you brought up the united nations. when it comes to fighting terrorism is the unit
CSPAN
Jul 23, 2011 7:00am EDT
misspent in iraq and afghanistan over a 10-year period. the "wall street journal" reporting they include $300 million for u.s. agency, agricultural development project with a "burn rate" of million dollars a day that paid afghan farmers to work in their own field, it covers subcontractors in eastern afghanistan, paying 20% of the contract to insurgents for protection and touches on cases where host government was unable to sustain a project like costly water treatment plant in iraq that produced murky water and lacked power and construction of afghan military economy that would cost $40 million to operate and maintain, far beyond what the afghan government could afford. 75% of the total contract dollars spent to support operations in iraq and afghanistan have gone to just 23 major contractors. the federal work force assigned to oversee the contracts hasn't grown in parallel with the massive growth of wartime expenditures. read more about that in the "wall street journal" this morning. one more tweet, if i can, just to finish off the discussion. adding this from darrell price, saying: an
FOX News
Jul 18, 2011 3:00am PDT
overnight. a bomb blast in eastern afghanistan leaves three nato service members dead. at this hour, the victim's nationalities are being withheld. this comes on the heels of a weekend attack that left another nato soldier dead, killed by a man dressed in an afghan army uniform. it happened when david petraeus handed over control. it shows petraeus transferring power to lieutenant general john allen. in september, petraeus will become director of the c.i.a. and another bus tour crashing. this one leaving at least two people dead. it happened about 55 miles south of rochester, new york. the bus was on its way from washington, d.c. to niagara falls when the driver lost control, veered down a grassy embankment into the woods. 35 passengers are hurt. four of them are in critical condition. early reports indicate a tire blowout might have caused that crash. and the video is incredible and horrifying at the same time. a look at what happened, a stage collapse at a cheap trick concert and it was all caught on camera. it happened during a thunderstorm at the ottawa blues fest. thousands of
ABC
Jul 27, 2011 2:05am PDT
from iraq and afghanistan. >> it as $2.7 trillion increase in the debt ceiling with highly suspect spending reduction features. >> reporter: with a week to go until the august 2nd deadline when the government runs out of money, this exercise in capital brinksmanship is literally spending the treasury down to its last dollars. rob and tanya? >> we've been hearing for weeks now about this august 2nd deadline next week. but apparently the feds may have this extra cash. the government could pay its bills past august 2nd. some breathing room here. but still, it doesn't really make this any less intense. >> thanks to a little number crunching by the treasury department, there does seem to be a little leeway. but it still needs to get done. >> some deal hopefully in the works. we'll see. >>> one side effect of the big debt battle, believe it or not, is an increase in airline fares. they were put in place last weekend to make up for taxes that expired because washington just can't get its act together. with anger over the increases now growing, some senators are demanding that airlines eit
FOX
Jul 13, 2011 6:00am EDT
. leroy petary was part of an operation in 2008 to take down a al qaeda leader in afghanistan. he was hit with fire in both legs but he radioed for help and launch add grenade -- launch add grenade to give -- launched a grenade to give cover to another comrade. >> whenever you have a chance or opportunity to thank them shake their hand, give them a pat on the back for the job they've done because they've earned it. that's the great (exĂ­ reward to any -- that any service -- greatest reward any service member can get is a thank you. >> congratulations to him. it's 6:45. time to take another look at weather. another very hot one but we have some break coming. >> yes, we do. in fact, that is our lead headline. >> it is. can i just feel your headline, sir. >> it's okay. we'll show you the weather headlines for today. yes, you are exactly right, sarah. there's a break coming, not today. you know what? today is going to be different than yesterday. it's not going to be as hot. still hot but not as hot. but we do have a break coming. a front moves
MSNBC
Jul 13, 2011 6:00am EDT
of honor recipient. >> willie, so many guys that have been in that situation, iraq and afghanistan and you are involved in helping some of them. we met some of them a couple weeks back. >> yes, a group called operation men. guys severely burned in ied explosions. the thing that strikes you with them and staff sergeant petry, they want to go back. >> they all want to go back. >> they want to get back and be with their brothers. sergeant petry eight deployments. he went back after losing his hand. he went back to fight. >> we have been talking, not just this morning but days on end about what's going on in washington with the debt ceiling. sergeant petry just said something about the men and women he served with having their bodies stole from them. it's an exact quote. they have something else stolen from them. it's full recovery. it's assistance for traumatic brain injuries down the road for decades to come. we have to pay for these things. >> we do. >> they better bear down in washington, 10% as much as sergeant petry, bear down. >> it's going to be a long, long haul for the young men and
MSNBC
Jul 25, 2011 6:00am EDT
of the wars in afghanistan and pakistan. >> still not getting serious. >> i went away from fuzzy. >> is that like jerry at trick math? >> yes. >> are you surprised they don't have a deal today? i actually really -- i mean, i really thought -- >> i would be shocked if they don't have a deal in the next two or three days. again, republican freshmen may have a big ideology difference with barack obama and his world view, and the divide is no greater than ronald reagan's was with tip o'neal in 1983 when they sat down, and they did a kneel. yes, you differ with barack obama and the democrats, but -- >> usually you are good at seeing somebody's angle. like you know what their angle was. what is the angle here? i don't get it. >> these republicans believe this is their only opportunity -- >> are they so stuck to the contract with the tea party they cannot think outside the box for the good of the country? seriously? >> can i finish? you asked a question and i need to finish. they understand one thing. >> what do they understand? >> they are dead right about this. this is their best chan
CSPAN
Jul 25, 2011 8:00pm EDT
. $2.70 trillion in spending cuts, including money saved from ending the war is in iraq and afghanistan. chuck schumer and senator reid spoke about the proposal with reporters for about 25 minutes. >> senators durbin and moynihan are on an airplane. unfortunately, they are not here. but they are on their way. i spent all weekend trying to work something out with republicans. instead of moving forward, we went backwards. one example -- our spending this year for the military is that $700 billion. that is more money for the military than the rest of the country's put together. you would think that in this debate that we have, they could chip in a few bucks to cut some spending. this weekend, the republicans wanted to raise spending. something modest, something the pentagon could live with. over the weekend, lo and behold, more funding for the pentagon. so, rather than trying to work with us on something as obvious as this to save money, they went their own direction. the economy has been forced to have the same debate on the same subject a few months from now. republicans and their short-
CNN
Jul 31, 2011 1:00pm PDT
to afghanistan. troops asked him how a u.s. default would affect their paychecks. >> one of the concerns that -- that young men and women expressed to me on this trip is here we are halfway around the world fighting our country's wars. and i've got to worry about a paycheck potentially on the 15th of august. which is what would be the first payday, if you will, from my understanding, would be in jeopardy if, in fact, we default. >> the soldiers also pressed mullen about the debt debate's impact on overall military operations. >>> in a lingering question, is washington on the right path to avoid a downgrade of the u.s. credit rating? earlier cnn's gloria borger talked with a top economist about that. >> do you think this is also enough to kind of avert a downgrade from our aaa status right now? >> well, yes, of course, i'm -- you know, i'm not in the rating agency. i can't speak for them. but listening to what they have to say, i think this would be sufficient, yes. you know, all the rating agencies have different opinions. some may go down a different path. i think broadly speaking, if i
MSNBC
Jul 30, 2011 9:00am EDT
means for funding troops in afghanistan. this morning many soldiers are asking, will we get paid? >>> good morning, everyone, i'm alex witt. welcome to msnbc saturday. we're approaching 10:00 a.m. on the east coast, 7:00 a.m. out west. congress has set itself up for a day of infighting today as the debt deadline draws dangerously close. the senate will start its session at 1:00 p.m. eastern
FOX News
Jul 23, 2011 1:00pm PDT
certainly hurt the al-qaeda terrorist organization, in pakistan and afghanistan. but anwar al-awlaki is alive and well in yemen and he is planning additional attacks against americans. is the franchise there now the lead in al-qaeda and how dangerous and what can we do? >> al-qaeda is somewhat diffuse in the islamist most of the time. yemen a fertile ground. it does seem to be emerging as headquarters of sorts. yemen as a state doesn't exist right now. it was an iffy topic when it had a president but it essentially doesn't right now. so al-qaeda finding an open door. president obama came out and said the tide of war is receding but nobody gave that message to the islamist terrorists. we this had the christmas day bombing, not the one on the flight but the on other one on fed ex shipments. >> gregg: speaking of terrorists let's talk about libya and moammar khadafy who says he is willing to talk to america but he refuses to give up his position. so what is the point of talking to the guy? >> this has been going for five months. people have said that khadafy is losing or close to
FOX News
Jul 13, 2011 6:00am EDT
to the funeral, the head of the province in afghanistan nearly escaped another attack. wally karzai was shot to death yesterday by a close confidant. the white house will work with afghan authorities to investigate the killing. overnight, democrat janice hahn becomes the new congresswoman elect and defeated craig huey with 55% of the vote in a tight race. the two were running in a special election for congresswoman jane harmon's seat. she left earlier this year to go work for a washington think tank. memorial services continue today for former first lady betty ford. >> former president george w. bush, nancy reagan, michelle obama, hillary clinton, rosalynn carter and maria shriver among the dignitaries paying their respects in palm desert, california yesterday. mrs. ford will be laid to rest next to her husband, president gerald ford in grand rapids, michigan tomorrow. former first lady barbara bush, former vice president dick cheney and his wife lyn expected to attend memorial services there. the nation's highest honor awarded to army sergeant first class leroy petri at the white house. he
FOX News
Jul 31, 2011 9:00am PDT
to afghanistan saturday, joint chiefs admiral mike mullen was asked by a military officer if they are going to get their checks. it sounds like even he is not sure. >> shannon: mullen did say he is confident they will eventually get paid. >> a new report out says iraq is not only more dangerous than it was a year ago but that the mission there is costing a whole lot more than expected. steve centanni live in washington with the latest on that report. >> a report from the inspector general for iraq reconstruction has bad news on two fronts. for one thing, the inspector general says "iraq remains an extraordinarily dangerous place to work. it is less safe in my judgment than 12 months ago ." he calls this is summer of uncertainty in iraq as the u.s. and iraqi government decide whether u.s. troops will remain past the december deadline for a pullout. violence has been on the upsurge. here are examples outlined in the report. 15 u.s. soldiers killed in iraq in june making it the bloodiest month for the u.s. military in that country in two years. also an increase in rockets launched against the
ABC
Jul 13, 2011 2:05am PDT
. afghanistan, his seventh tour of duty. these pictures from before he found out what he was made o o with the true sign of that today being a ceremony, a certain discomfort at the attention. >> to be singled out is very humbling. >> reporter: perhaps, yes, for a kid who used to get into fights and who almost failed in high school. but who out there picked up a live enemy grenade to toss it away to save his comrades. it cost him his right hand. but he's alive, rare for medal of honor winners who usually are honored posthumously. but there's also this. leroy petry decided he's not done. and when he re-enlisted he took the oath with his right hand. his new one. john donvan, a a news, washington. >> you know, the medal of honor was given yesterday on the award's 149th anniversary. president lincoln signed the medal of honor act in 1862. >> how cool is that? also, he's now been assigned to a military base near tacoma, washington, where he's going to help other war veterans as well to transition back into everyday civilian life whicicis really difficult for a lot of veterans. >> still keep
MSNBC
Jul 14, 2011 6:00am EDT
. a gaines france in the semifinals. great start for usa. lauren cheney, the troops watching in afghanistan love it. usa up, 1-0 there. france picks up the pace. a good looking goal. solo. the keeper. nice play there to keep it away. they fire a shot off the crossbar. 1-0 at halftime. 54th minute. tough play. the ball sneaks off the back post. we are tied at 1. in the 70th minute, the french keeper can't hold the save. a rebound chance. it's not the way. she was called off sides. nine minutes later, usa with a corner kick. abby wombach knocks it in. the same head does it again. usa up, 2-1 there. three minutes later, another beautiful play. shoots with her left foot. usa advances with 3-1 victory over france. the other semifinals, japan wins 3-1. sunday, the women's world cup, the united states of america versus japan. earlier, we told you about the yankee fan who handed over derek jeter's home run hit. now we can stop feeling bad for the 23-year-old. here is why. miller has offered to pay for all his yankee-related taxes should the irs come after him. that's one thing. two companies, model
CNN
Jul 26, 2011 3:00am PDT
decade. a big piece is what senator reid calls the winding down of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. that will save $1 trillion. republicans have called that a gimmick, savings from wars that are winding down, even though by the way, the same savings were counted in some republican budgets. reid's plan would not reform or cut medicare, medicaid, social security. there would be no changes to taxes. it would raise the debt ceiling by $2.4 trillion. that would be enough to fund the government through next year's election. now the boehner plan is more short term. it would raise the debt ceiling in two different steps. the first step would happen immediately. raising that ceiling by about a trillion dollars, would be accompanied by spending cuts of $1.2 trillion over ten years. that would get us to next year. right? when we would need a second vote to raise the debt ceiling again by another $1.6 trillion. now that second increase would be contingent on more cuts, another 1.8 there the in spending cuts that would have to be agreed to by a bipartisan committee. the second vote you guys, is
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